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	<title>Comments on: Strong mayor proposal in Sacramento city council hot seat tonight</title>
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	<description>Hey everyone, where are all those jobs?</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Diggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Diggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that there will be corrupt city managers in the future (regardless of whether or not our current city manager is corrupt).  Personally I expect that an elected executive system would lead to less corruption in the long term than our current appointed executive system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that there will be corrupt city managers in the future (regardless of whether or not our current city manager is corrupt).  Personally I expect that an elected executive system would lead to less corruption in the long term than our current appointed executive system.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Diggs</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/11/03/strong-mayor-proposal-on-sacramento-city-council-radar-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-13289</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Diggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda wrote:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;My opposing it isn’t personal- due to concerns for Johnson– it is business– due to concerns of all the power……&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I am glad that you care about the long term impact that the strong mayor initiative would have if it passes.  

Normally I say more but I think your concern about mayors abusing their power corruptly is more than fair.  Executives use their power corruptly all the time and I would not expect elected executives to be impervious to that sort of behavior.  More simply said: I think there will be corrupt mayors in the future (regardless or whether or not Kevin Johnson is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>My opposing it isn’t personal- due to concerns for Johnson– it is business– due to concerns of all the power……</p></blockquote>
<p>I am glad that you care about the long term impact that the strong mayor initiative would have if it passes.  </p>
<p>Normally I say more but I think your concern about mayors abusing their power corruptly is more than fair.  Executives use their power corruptly all the time and I would not expect elected executives to be impervious to that sort of behavior.  More simply said: I think there will be corrupt mayors in the future (regardless or whether or not Kevin Johnson is).</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Diggs</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/11/03/strong-mayor-proposal-on-sacramento-city-council-radar-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-13288</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Diggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t have any special insight about when another strong mayor proposal would be offered if the current proposal is defeated.  I tend to think that the more strongly voters reject the proposal the less willing people will be to reform in the future.   Some people have told me the proposal will be defeated dramatically.  But what does dramatic mean?  Does it mean between 70 and 90%.   But hypothetically if the proposal had that many voters opposed probably no one would propose another similar initiative for many decades.  That is partly why I advocate for this proposal so strongly:  because this is an all or nothing deal.   In the early 1990s voters rejected a unified government for the city and county of Sacramento.  No one even talks about that potential reform anymore (that I have heard).   

So if this reform fails I don&#039;t expect another reform for a decade or maybe two or three.  And when we do have a proposed reform it will be regarding a different issue.

Now hypothetically if this reform passes or almost passes I think it would lead to more reforms being proposed in the future.  Politicians will not advocate for serious change unless they believe it can pass at the ballot box.  And the way that politicians will determine if Sacramentans will vote for change is by seeing the results for the strong mayor proposal in June.

Admittedly my ideal strong mayor proposal would not have given him veto power or special budget authority.  And I certainly don&#039;t believe he should be a council member for two years at the same time he is the city executive, but other than that I am satisfied with Kevin Johnson&#039;s proposal.  But I don&#039;t think it is even marginally likely that the good aspects of his reforms can be enacted if his initiative is resoundingly defeated.  Even if his proposal is defeated by just one hundred votes I don&#039;t think he will use that the gain executive authority for the mayor&#039;s office. 

&lt;strong&gt;I think if his proposal dies at the ballot box it will be dead.  If it dies by a dramatic margin it will be really dead along with any future reforms.&lt;/strong&gt;

On the other hand most voters have a short memory.  But political strategists will still use the last reform election to speculate about the potential of future reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t have any special insight about when another strong mayor proposal would be offered if the current proposal is defeated.  I tend to think that the more strongly voters reject the proposal the less willing people will be to reform in the future.   Some people have told me the proposal will be defeated dramatically.  But what does dramatic mean?  Does it mean between 70 and 90%.   But hypothetically if the proposal had that many voters opposed probably no one would propose another similar initiative for many decades.  That is partly why I advocate for this proposal so strongly:  because this is an all or nothing deal.   In the early 1990s voters rejected a unified government for the city and county of Sacramento.  No one even talks about that potential reform anymore (that I have heard).   </p>
<p>So if this reform fails I don&#8217;t expect another reform for a decade or maybe two or three.  And when we do have a proposed reform it will be regarding a different issue.</p>
<p>Now hypothetically if this reform passes or almost passes I think it would lead to more reforms being proposed in the future.  Politicians will not advocate for serious change unless they believe it can pass at the ballot box.  And the way that politicians will determine if Sacramentans will vote for change is by seeing the results for the strong mayor proposal in June.</p>
<p>Admittedly my ideal strong mayor proposal would not have given him veto power or special budget authority.  And I certainly don&#8217;t believe he should be a council member for two years at the same time he is the city executive, but other than that I am satisfied with Kevin Johnson&#8217;s proposal.  But I don&#8217;t think it is even marginally likely that the good aspects of his reforms can be enacted if his initiative is resoundingly defeated.  Even if his proposal is defeated by just one hundred votes I don&#8217;t think he will use that the gain executive authority for the mayor&#8217;s office. </p>
<p><strong>I think if his proposal dies at the ballot box it will be dead.  If it dies by a dramatic margin it will be really dead along with any future reforms.</strong></p>
<p>On the other hand most voters have a short memory.  But political strategists will still use the last reform election to speculate about the potential of future reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/11/03/strong-mayor-proposal-on-sacramento-city-council-radar-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-13279</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Diggs, you wrote, &quot;.....but whether or not I approve of elected officials holding executive power in the decades to come. For me this is about a long term change not a short term change.&quot;. Can you please or Mark can you please tell me, If this proposal doesn&#039;t go on the ballot 2010 when is the next time voters can have a SMP on the ballot? When can a comprehensive proposal- one which gives the community time to weigh the pros and cons without a proposal being written in stone and we can have it tweaked to remove concerns be placed on the ballot if this ship sails... ? Mr Diggs, suggests &quot;decades to come&quot; will it be 20yrs or more before another SMP can be put on the ballot? Heck with the way sac city government seems to be going I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d be happy with the proposal if it went-- as it is written--- 4 yrs from now to another mayor- It&#039;s not about Johnson to me either--- it&#039;s about knowing ---being shown--- the mayor with the power knows what to do with it and is not corrupt. Heck as far as we know Mayor Johnson could be the lesser of two evils and another mayor comes in by manipulating the public who is more concerning than Johnson and has all the power from this SMP. My opposing it isn&#039;t personal- due to concerns for Johnson-- it is business-- due to concerns of all the power......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Diggs, you wrote, &#8220;&#8230;..but whether or not I approve of elected officials holding executive power in the decades to come. For me this is about a long term change not a short term change.&#8221;. Can you please or Mark can you please tell me, If this proposal doesn&#8217;t go on the ballot 2010 when is the next time voters can have a SMP on the ballot? When can a comprehensive proposal- one which gives the community time to weigh the pros and cons without a proposal being written in stone and we can have it tweaked to remove concerns be placed on the ballot if this ship sails&#8230; ? Mr Diggs, suggests &#8220;decades to come&#8221; will it be 20yrs or more before another SMP can be put on the ballot? Heck with the way sac city government seems to be going I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d be happy with the proposal if it went&#8211; as it is written&#8212; 4 yrs from now to another mayor- It&#8217;s not about Johnson to me either&#8212; it&#8217;s about knowing &#8212;being shown&#8212; the mayor with the power knows what to do with it and is not corrupt. Heck as far as we know Mayor Johnson could be the lesser of two evils and another mayor comes in by manipulating the public who is more concerning than Johnson and has all the power from this SMP. My opposing it isn&#8217;t personal- due to concerns for Johnson&#8211; it is business&#8211; due to concerns of all the power&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Diggs</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/11/03/strong-mayor-proposal-on-sacramento-city-council-radar-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-13277</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Diggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie wrote:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;we can judge how successful KJ has been and then he can be rewarded with more power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For me the issue is not about whether or not I approve the mayor but whether or not I approve of elected officials holding executive power in the decades to come.  For me this is about a long term change not a short term change.

Also an executive&#039;s ability to govern is different than a council member&#039;s ability to legislate or lobby the city manager.  I don&#039;t think the performance of one task has much correlation to the other.  For example I might be good at shoveling dirt but I cannot fix your car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>we can judge how successful KJ has been and then he can be rewarded with more power.</p></blockquote>
<p>For me the issue is not about whether or not I approve the mayor but whether or not I approve of elected officials holding executive power in the decades to come.  For me this is about a long term change not a short term change.</p>
<p>Also an executive&#8217;s ability to govern is different than a council member&#8217;s ability to legislate or lobby the city manager.  I don&#8217;t think the performance of one task has much correlation to the other.  For example I might be good at shoveling dirt but I cannot fix your car.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/11/03/strong-mayor-proposal-on-sacramento-city-council-radar-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-13255</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with Charlie. I love the article and I agree with you both wholeheartedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with Charlie. I love the article and I agree with you both wholeheartedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this proposal is voted for, the city will further decline, KJ is an embarassment to most thoughtful residents.  I am hopeful some of the other council members can be tough and not just roll over, it is absurd to give this rookie more power, let&#039;s wait until at least 2012 and then we can judge how successful KJ has been and then he can be rewarded with more power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this proposal is voted for, the city will further decline, KJ is an embarassment to most thoughtful residents.  I am hopeful some of the other council members can be tough and not just roll over, it is absurd to give this rookie more power, let&#8217;s wait until at least 2012 and then we can judge how successful KJ has been and then he can be rewarded with more power.</p>
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		<title>By: kerryjustin1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerryjustin1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joesacramento - lets see a positive story sometime !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joesacramento &#8211; lets see a positive story sometime !!</p>
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