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	<title>Comments on: The Buzz: Goodwill hunting in North Natomas&#8211;but would they be a blessing or a curse?</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot; &gt;Reader wrote: It means we put in a store that elevates the quality of life in N. Natomas rather than risk bringing it down. There are already far too many neighborhoods in Sacramento that are in decline. Why should we risk one more? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Once again I will ask: what PROOF does anyone have that a GOODWILL store will degrade the quality of life in North Natomas? Does ANYONE have ANY evidence to support this ubiquitous argument? If so, PLEASE deliver it to me asap and I will be glad to post. Until then, this argument is merely--and I do mean merely--&lt;strong&gt;non sequitur&lt;/strong&gt; !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="" ><p>Reader wrote: It means we put in a store that elevates the quality of life in N. Natomas rather than risk bringing it down. There are already far too many neighborhoods in Sacramento that are in decline. Why should we risk one more? </p></blockquote>
<p>Once again I will ask: what PROOF does anyone have that a GOODWILL store will degrade the quality of life in North Natomas? Does ANYONE have ANY evidence to support this ubiquitous argument? If so, PLEASE deliver it to me asap and I will be glad to post. Until then, this argument is merely&#8211;and I do mean merely&#8211;<strong>non sequitur</strong> !</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify: I have nothing against whites.  What I do resent are the stereotypes and boxes people put one another in according to skin color.  So, if you happen to reject Goodwill, that is automatically affiliated with whiteness?  Didn&#039;t we just elect a black president thus proving to the world that the highest office in the land is not reserved for whites only?  Come on, people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify: I have nothing against whites.  What I do resent are the stereotypes and boxes people put one another in according to skin color.  So, if you happen to reject Goodwill, that is automatically affiliated with whiteness?  Didn&#8217;t we just elect a black president thus proving to the world that the highest office in the land is not reserved for whites only?  Come on, people!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4306</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did TJ&#039;s state that it has no plans to open in Natomas?  Do you have a reference?  I called their customer relations number yesterday in So.Cal and they welcomed my suggestion.  Now that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re going to open here; simply means they did not say yes but they didn&#039;t say no either.

I take no offense when asked what my perfect world is.  In fact, I prefer not to use the word perfect as I know that no community or society can reach perfection.  I do, however, take offense when people stereotype me as &quot;white&quot; for wanting to protect my property values and aim for a shopping center that offers customers a bit better than Goodwill.  Make no mistake, I have long been involved in charitable causes that help those in need, but is it so wrong to want something better for the neighborhood that my husband and I worked so darn hard to move into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did TJ&#8217;s state that it has no plans to open in Natomas?  Do you have a reference?  I called their customer relations number yesterday in So.Cal and they welcomed my suggestion.  Now that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re going to open here; simply means they did not say yes but they didn&#8217;t say no either.</p>
<p>I take no offense when asked what my perfect world is.  In fact, I prefer not to use the word perfect as I know that no community or society can reach perfection.  I do, however, take offense when people stereotype me as &#8220;white&#8221; for wanting to protect my property values and aim for a shopping center that offers customers a bit better than Goodwill.  Make no mistake, I have long been involved in charitable causes that help those in need, but is it so wrong to want something better for the neighborhood that my husband and I worked so darn hard to move into?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4305</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What brings down the quality of life is having empty storefronts.  You had a quality store and your neighbors did not support it so it could stay open.  I asked you what it looked like Reader - what does it look like?  

Be specific.  Trader Joes has already stated it was not in its current plans to open a store here in Natomas (why would they?)  What&#039;s your idea Reader, beyond wanting a Trader Joes?  

My &quot;preference&quot; is to have a store that will stay open and not leave derelict spaces in our plazas.  If this neighborhood has made it clear it cannot support Borders and Goodwill feels it&#039;s a good business decision to move to this location and is willing to take a risk where other retailers are not, then I prefer that business lease that space.  I thought it was a no-brainer.

Be offended all you want by my asking the question about your &quot;perfect world.&quot;  I&#039;ve found this entire line of thought regarding Goodwill offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What brings down the quality of life is having empty storefronts.  You had a quality store and your neighbors did not support it so it could stay open.  I asked you what it looked like Reader &#8211; what does it look like?  </p>
<p>Be specific.  Trader Joes has already stated it was not in its current plans to open a store here in Natomas (why would they?)  What&#8217;s your idea Reader, beyond wanting a Trader Joes?  </p>
<p>My &#8220;preference&#8221; is to have a store that will stay open and not leave derelict spaces in our plazas.  If this neighborhood has made it clear it cannot support Borders and Goodwill feels it&#8217;s a good business decision to move to this location and is willing to take a risk where other retailers are not, then I prefer that business lease that space.  I thought it was a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Be offended all you want by my asking the question about your &#8220;perfect world.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve found this entire line of thought regarding Goodwill offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4302</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori, can you please explain: &quot;Look at Natomas Park with its rules regarding tenants use of association property.&quot;  What are the rules you are referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, can you please explain: &#8220;Look at Natomas Park with its rules regarding tenants use of association property.&#8221;  What are the rules you are referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4301</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori, &quot;aim for something more appealing&quot; should be a no-brainer.  It means we put in a store that elevates the quality of life in N. Natomas rather than risk bringing it down.  There are already far too many neighborhoods in Sacramento that are in decline.  Why should we risk one more?  I bet if you took a survey of all NN residents of all income levels which establishment they&#039;d prefer--Goodwill or something like Trader Joe&#039;s, the response would overwhelmingly be in favor of Trader Joe&#039;s.  What do you prefer, Lori?

You are quick to make some erroneous judgmetnts about me.  Simply because I do not want a Goodwill store in my neighborhood does not mean that I adovcate &quot;white, middle-class, and homeowners&quot; only in North Natomas.  Do you know my ethnic background?  Or the color of skin of the man I am married to?  How about my personal, social, political, religious convictions that if I revealed here would prove you way off base?  Oh, and please don&#039;t call me &quot;kiddo.&quot; Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, &#8220;aim for something more appealing&#8221; should be a no-brainer.  It means we put in a store that elevates the quality of life in N. Natomas rather than risk bringing it down.  There are already far too many neighborhoods in Sacramento that are in decline.  Why should we risk one more?  I bet if you took a survey of all NN residents of all income levels which establishment they&#8217;d prefer&#8211;Goodwill or something like Trader Joe&#8217;s, the response would overwhelmingly be in favor of Trader Joe&#8217;s.  What do you prefer, Lori?</p>
<p>You are quick to make some erroneous judgmetnts about me.  Simply because I do not want a Goodwill store in my neighborhood does not mean that I adovcate &#8220;white, middle-class, and homeowners&#8221; only in North Natomas.  Do you know my ethnic background?  Or the color of skin of the man I am married to?  How about my personal, social, political, religious convictions that if I revealed here would prove you way off base?  Oh, and please don&#8217;t call me &#8220;kiddo.&#8221; Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reader:  Some of you act like it.  You have a diverse neighborhood with inclusionary housing within the percentages that were estimated.  What does &quot;aim for something more appealing&quot; mean?  Lay it out there, kiddo--what&#039;s it look like?  White, middle-class, and homeowners?  Look at Natomas Park with its rules regarding tenants use of association property.  You have some solutions that integrate the entire neighborhood, or just your particular socioeconomic or perceived socioeconomic construct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader:  Some of you act like it.  You have a diverse neighborhood with inclusionary housing within the percentages that were estimated.  What does &#8220;aim for something more appealing&#8221; mean?  Lay it out there, kiddo&#8211;what&#8217;s it look like?  White, middle-class, and homeowners?  Look at Natomas Park with its rules regarding tenants use of association property.  You have some solutions that integrate the entire neighborhood, or just your particular socioeconomic or perceived socioeconomic construct?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4299</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guest Commentator, your critique of Ms. Ashby was inappropriate.  Despicable is more like it.  Ms. Ashby&#039;s comments were sound and judicious, in my opinion.  We homeowners in Creekside and Natomas Park were sold a vision of this neighborhood that did not include retailers like Goodwill.  To have one set up shop here was definitely not a part of the bargain.  

Lori, no one said this area was Rodeo Dr. or Brentwood, and personally, I don&#039;t want to live in Granite Bay.  But that does not mean that we cannot have a say in the direction this neighborhood takes and aim for something a bit more appealing.  

Ms. Ashby, if you want to try to unseat Tretheway in 2010, you have my support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest Commentator, your critique of Ms. Ashby was inappropriate.  Despicable is more like it.  Ms. Ashby&#8217;s comments were sound and judicious, in my opinion.  We homeowners in Creekside and Natomas Park were sold a vision of this neighborhood that did not include retailers like Goodwill.  To have one set up shop here was definitely not a part of the bargain.  </p>
<p>Lori, no one said this area was Rodeo Dr. or Brentwood, and personally, I don&#8217;t want to live in Granite Bay.  But that does not mean that we cannot have a say in the direction this neighborhood takes and aim for something a bit more appealing.  </p>
<p>Ms. Ashby, if you want to try to unseat Tretheway in 2010, you have my support!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4298</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have an update on what is happening with this issue?  Are negotiations still being made between Goodwill and the landlord?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have an update on what is happening with this issue?  Are negotiations still being made between Goodwill and the landlord?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://www.joesacramento.com/2009/01/22/north-natomas-goodwill-store-at-park-place/comment-page-3/#comment-4284</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as I mentioned - I highly recommend that you with concerns take a hard look at the Goodwill organization here in Sacramento run by Joe Mendez.  A MODEL program he brought down from Seattle.  I&#039;m kind of blown away by the fact that so many haven&#039;t done their due diligence before expounding on the topic.

This is not the exclusive Rodeo Dr and you do not live in Brentwood.  Joe is right that this area is made up of MANY types of people - not just upwardly mobile HOA homeowners and not just inclusionary housing.     

Our four high schools rate 3-7 with GreatSchools.  Not so great.  

Our high crime rate is having inroads made because of active participation by the people who live here and the interest of the police department in reducing crime.  But, you live in high density urban neighborhoods.  This is a CITY - where crime is part of the parcel.  Crime is mostly crime of opportunity.  Lock your doors, put your cars in the garage, and get an alarm. 

It seems to me, and I know some will disagree, that I&#039;m hearing that residents here think anything negative that is happening in the area is somehow exclusive to this area.  The entire country is hurting.  The rest of Sacramento is hurting.  I&#039;d say just pick up and move yourselves to Granite Bay if you want that world without socioeconomic diversity, but many of you can&#039;t can you?  Unless you walk away upside down from your homes.  So, you have to learn to live in the world you have, not the world you want.  And, that world can be made a better, more inclusive place.

Many of the most brilliant minds in the country didn&#039;t see this economic freight train coming.  The city is falling apart - but that can&#039;t be laid entirely at the doorstep of the officials that as a group, we previously elected.  Our city is suffering the pangs that many, many cities are suffering through right now.  Where do you all think the money will come to bail Sacramento out of its deficit?  Seems that any development aspires to be something but needs the follow through of interested retailers and people who actually SPEND THEIR MONEY to keep the retailer profitable.  We couldn&#039;t do that.  So now Goodwill wants to come in and add to our tax base - bad, bad Goodwill.  I&#039;ll be interested to see what KJ can actually do.  Because, I think right now, there just isn&#039;t much to be done, other than raise taxes and cover those deficits.  Or continue to deny tax rate appeals for homeowners.

And, maybe you can help change things by being involved. I love how you get out there, Joe, and volunteer with people who need people in their lives to make a difference.  Such a positive contributor to MY community.  Thank you.  There are many people who do the same.  I&#039;m sorry, but I just get so tired of the whining.  Like the city owes us something--did anyone get any of those promises in writing?  Hell, yeah, get rid of politicians who in times like this do 6-figure studies on tree counts - they haven&#039;t got their priorities straight.  

The talk about inclusionary housing brings this to mind for me.  Back in the mid-80s, when AIDS was rampant and people were afraid, many made the suggestion that they be sent to colonies where they could not expose others - where we wouldn&#039;t have to look at them or be around them or even remember they were there - think Leper Colony.  If you push out those living in this housing, where will you push them?  Where do you want them to go exactly?  Put them into neighborhoods that are already devastated by poverty?  Or let them stay where they are and perhaps see by example that there are ways to a life different then multi-generational poverty, where education is important, and opportunity is just some sweat equity away.  If even one child can see this and change his life&#039;s trajectory, I&#039;m for it.

And, don&#039;t forget, much of inclusionary housing is made up  of hard-working people, some holding  multiple jobs who ust can&#039;t make enough money to have their own home or even to rent at market rates.  Or are disabled, or suffering through a major shift in their economics due to life events like divorce (that thing you of the traditional marriage set do so well).  These are YOUR neighbors.

Putting the Goodwill where you don&#039;t have to look at it, but will also make it difficult for those living in YOUR community to use it isn&#039;t the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as I mentioned &#8211; I highly recommend that you with concerns take a hard look at the Goodwill organization here in Sacramento run by Joe Mendez.  A MODEL program he brought down from Seattle.  I&#8217;m kind of blown away by the fact that so many haven&#8217;t done their due diligence before expounding on the topic.</p>
<p>This is not the exclusive Rodeo Dr and you do not live in Brentwood.  Joe is right that this area is made up of MANY types of people &#8211; not just upwardly mobile HOA homeowners and not just inclusionary housing.     </p>
<p>Our four high schools rate 3-7 with GreatSchools.  Not so great.  </p>
<p>Our high crime rate is having inroads made because of active participation by the people who live here and the interest of the police department in reducing crime.  But, you live in high density urban neighborhoods.  This is a CITY &#8211; where crime is part of the parcel.  Crime is mostly crime of opportunity.  Lock your doors, put your cars in the garage, and get an alarm. </p>
<p>It seems to me, and I know some will disagree, that I&#8217;m hearing that residents here think anything negative that is happening in the area is somehow exclusive to this area.  The entire country is hurting.  The rest of Sacramento is hurting.  I&#8217;d say just pick up and move yourselves to Granite Bay if you want that world without socioeconomic diversity, but many of you can&#8217;t can you?  Unless you walk away upside down from your homes.  So, you have to learn to live in the world you have, not the world you want.  And, that world can be made a better, more inclusive place.</p>
<p>Many of the most brilliant minds in the country didn&#8217;t see this economic freight train coming.  The city is falling apart &#8211; but that can&#8217;t be laid entirely at the doorstep of the officials that as a group, we previously elected.  Our city is suffering the pangs that many, many cities are suffering through right now.  Where do you all think the money will come to bail Sacramento out of its deficit?  Seems that any development aspires to be something but needs the follow through of interested retailers and people who actually SPEND THEIR MONEY to keep the retailer profitable.  We couldn&#8217;t do that.  So now Goodwill wants to come in and add to our tax base &#8211; bad, bad Goodwill.  I&#8217;ll be interested to see what KJ can actually do.  Because, I think right now, there just isn&#8217;t much to be done, other than raise taxes and cover those deficits.  Or continue to deny tax rate appeals for homeowners.</p>
<p>And, maybe you can help change things by being involved. I love how you get out there, Joe, and volunteer with people who need people in their lives to make a difference.  Such a positive contributor to MY community.  Thank you.  There are many people who do the same.  I&#8217;m sorry, but I just get so tired of the whining.  Like the city owes us something&#8211;did anyone get any of those promises in writing?  Hell, yeah, get rid of politicians who in times like this do 6-figure studies on tree counts &#8211; they haven&#8217;t got their priorities straight.  </p>
<p>The talk about inclusionary housing brings this to mind for me.  Back in the mid-80s, when AIDS was rampant and people were afraid, many made the suggestion that they be sent to colonies where they could not expose others &#8211; where we wouldn&#8217;t have to look at them or be around them or even remember they were there &#8211; think Leper Colony.  If you push out those living in this housing, where will you push them?  Where do you want them to go exactly?  Put them into neighborhoods that are already devastated by poverty?  Or let them stay where they are and perhaps see by example that there are ways to a life different then multi-generational poverty, where education is important, and opportunity is just some sweat equity away.  If even one child can see this and change his life&#8217;s trajectory, I&#8217;m for it.</p>
<p>And, don&#8217;t forget, much of inclusionary housing is made up  of hard-working people, some holding  multiple jobs who ust can&#8217;t make enough money to have their own home or even to rent at market rates.  Or are disabled, or suffering through a major shift in their economics due to life events like divorce (that thing you of the traditional marriage set do so well).  These are YOUR neighbors.</p>
<p>Putting the Goodwill where you don&#8217;t have to look at it, but will also make it difficult for those living in YOUR community to use it isn&#8217;t the answer.</p>
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