UPDATED 21NOV08: MORE business robberies reported!
From *couples being robbed at gun point and locked in the trunks of their own cars, to 14 year olds being robbed at in front of Kohls, to teens being “stoned” by marijuana smoking youth in Natomas Park, to employees being held at gun point in Aeropostale, to a “simulated weapons robbery” at Five Star Cleaners by four thugs JUST THIS MORNING, Natomas is once again drowning not in river waters, but in a flood of violent crime–for which no “preferred risk policy” can console.
Yep, crime is spiking again. Robberies are up on average of 93% for the North and South Natomas areas in October. More troubling is the fact that we’re only half way through November, and from the looks of the Sac PD reports I am seeing, it looks like it’s only getting worse.
Sadly–albeit predictably–the local media is once again WAY behind the eight ball in reporting what is really going on in Natomas. The only article I have seen recently is one in which they reported how burglaries were down in Natomas. Prior to that they reported how Natomas businesses were not being impacted by crime, how they were “coping” and not planning on pulling up the stakes (a story which ignored countless robbery/burglary reports, and vexed residents who took offense to the clear implication holding: since SOME business owners were unfazed, crime was not as bad as residents were saying it was ).
Sorry, but given the high volume of violent crime being committed in–and in the proximity of–Natomas businesses, it is unconscionable to assert Natomas area businesses are not being impacted by this spate of crime. Regardless of what a few business owners whose heads are in the sand may be reporting, EVERYONE is being affected, whether they know it or not.
In protest of the Bee’s less-than-inclusive reporting, I sent them the following email today and copied various stakeholders:
Greetings, Sac Bee.
The Bee previously reported (to Natomas residents’ chagrin, to be frank) that essentially businesses were not being affected by crime in Natomas. ALL the following businesses that have been victimized by violent crime BEG TO DIFFER: Kathy’s Nails (armed robbery), Aeropostale (armed robbery), Straw Hat Pizza (armed robbery), Pizza Hut (armed robbery), 5 Star Cleaners (armed robbery today), Golden Dragon (long gun armed robbery in their parking lot), Tri Counties Bank (armed robbery), Kohls (two separate armed robberies of pedestrians in their parking lot and adjacent to their building).
All of the above are examples of businesses being victimized by violent crime in Natomas and I think it is irresponsible on the Bee’s part to downplay the problem to the public. In fact in October alone robberies are up 83% in North Natomas and 100% in South Natomas.
When is the Bee going to cover this growing problem and communicate truthfully about it to the public? The last article the Bee wrote about crime in Natomas only referred to how burglaries are down. I would hope for some more candid reporting in the future.
Respectfully,
Joe
I am not a fan of having a “glass half full” perspective merely for the sake of winning friends and influencing people, especially when it comes to the safety of my friends and family. The truth of the matter here is that not everyone in Natomas is “going crazy over it” as Tretheway likes to say. The criminal element might be going crazy over it, and many residents might be going crazy BECAUSE OF IT, but very few (save for those on meds whose lives are blissfully Utopian) are doing cartwheels over the crime in Natomas.
My friend–and city council hopeful –John Dahilig sent me an email just this morning asking rhetorically how to reduce crime in the area. That got me to thinking. Unfortunately, given the budget crisis, the onus to make the community safer is falling squarely on.. well… the community. And in my opinion that sucks. Why pay someone else to help catch the bad guys if we’re going to be asked to? Why pay for police buildings if residents are going to forced to build their own (as is the case with the new ‘community center’ in the Safeway center, where North Natomas residents will work with the city’s Neighborhood Services team and cops to provide a place for residents to fill out police reports, etc)?
What’s next? Civilian volunteers cruising the city in hopes of defeating crime? Why not. The City of Lincoln is evidently moving in that direction. As reported on their web site, Lincoln cops are taking a unique approach to curbing car burglaries this holiday season. Police officers and volunteers are crawling high volume parking lots like malls–as thieves do–in search of low hanging criminal fruit.
From Lincoln’s web site: “As part of the program, volunteers and officers walk through parking lots looking for vehicles that would be “prime targets” for thieves. A prime target would be a vehicle that the owner has left valuable possessions out in the open. Once identified as a “prime target” the officer or volunteer will leave a flyer indicating why the vehicle is a prime target and instructing the owner in how to properly store items and why it is important.”
Kudos to Lincoln for this program, but I have to say it’s astounding such a program is even necessitated in this age. What are people thinking? Would you leave a laptop on your car seat and go cruise the mall? Apparently people do. In fact cops are evidently as guilty as anyone (as the recent Sac Sheriff laptop-gpsdevice-gun theft in a Rancho Cordova hotel parking lot proved). And forgive me for being so bold, but does law enforcement really think criminals simply take the day off when they can’t find a car to break in?
In these lean economic times law enforcement in general is becoming more and more dependent on the community to help them fight crime–too dependent if you ask me. I realize your mileage may vary, but personally if I wanted to be a cop, I would have been a cop. God love them for what they do, because you couldn’t pay me enough to take that kind of abuse every day, but I am not interested in fighting crime.
Don’t get me wrong. God forbid. I understand the cops are doing their best, but maybe they can dig deeper, get a bit more creative. Maybe I’m crazy (likely), but I hope they can come up with some new ideas using the resources they have (like Gun Amnesty Day, more curfew sweeps, etc etc), rather than depending on residents so much, whose time is MUCH BETTER SPENT being great leaders at home, working hard for a living, and raising their children to be good citizens.
I know, I know.. together… YES WE CAN! It’s all about volunteerism, right? Except if you’re living in Natomas where all the volunteerism in the known world can’t seem to stop the tide of gun-brandishing thugs who appear to be hell-bent on living out their “Grand Theft Auto” fantasies in the Natomas Basin and funding their drug habits with money ripped out of the hands of its businesses and residents. John Dahilig asked rhetorically: “Will we need a police state eventually??” Maybe (although don’t tell people like Rhonda Erwin that, who have seen firsthand the ill effects of having a “police state”).
Either way, while the powers that be decide what it’s going to take to make our communities safer (which is their job, lest we forget), I think there are a lot of little things everyone across the community can do to help. The media can help by reporting the truth about crime in Natomas. Residents can keep spreading awareness, so hopefully enough people get angry and decide to start removing the politicians–such as Ray Tretheway–who have condoned spending all of our precious tax dollars on rehab and beautification projects. Property owners, like Donahue-Scribner at Park Place, should be REQUIRED to provide more security to protect the business owners in their strip malls (if they don’t, we can kiss the anchor stores like Borders goodbye eventually, because no business wants to put its valuable employees in the middle of a known thug zone).
Heather Fargo are you looking for work? Want to stay in public service? Come patrol the parking lots at Park Place and the Target mall in Natomas!
Happy holidays, yall! And hide your valuables.
“Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves, and every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on.” -John F. Kennedy
-Joe
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References:
(371115) 11/19/08 @ 9:26 pm, 1589 W. El Camino (Mountain Mike’s Pizza), Armed Robbery
Suspects robbed the store at gun point. Both suspects were wearing masks and gloves. The suspects were described as Male White Adults and spoke with Russian accents. They are probably the same suspects that robbed the Pizza Hut (604 W. El Camino) on 11/13/08 at 10:52 pm.
371405) 11/20/08 @ 7:55 am, 4660 Natomas Blvd (5 Star Cleaners), Robbery, N. Natomas
1 subject (male Hispanic) entered the cleaners and asked about some services and left. A short time later the same subject came back into the store with 3 other people (male Hispanic, and 2 male black subjects). They stated they had a gun (none seen) and demanded money. They took money and walked out of the business. Officers Ley and Davis conducted extensive follow up with significant assistance from the School Resource Officers (Martinez and Knecht). They identified 3 of the suspects and ultimately arrested them in the afternoon around 3pm. 2 suspects were arrested in front of Natomas H.S. and the 3rd suspect was arrested near the Carls Jr. at Del Paso/Natomas. The two suspects were 14 yrs old and one was 13 years old. They were all arrested for robbery.
(372339) 11/21/08 @ 6:29 am, 2613 River Plaza Drive, Car Theft/Shooting, ROCA/S. Natomas Area
Victim hears tires skidding outside and noticed someone was stealing his car (Black Chevy Caprice). He got into another car and followed the suspects. He lost them for a little bit and then found the suspect inside his car on Gateway Oaks near Garden Hwy. He pulled up and confronted the suspect (male black with shoulder length dread locks, 18-20 years old, 6′0″, 175). At this time a Blue Chevy Caprice Classic pulled up with the 2nd suspect (unk description). The first suspect went to the passenger door of the Blue Chevy and pulled out a gun. He fired multiple rounds at the victim - hitting his car several times. The victim sped off to get away. The victim’s Chevy Caprice was still on Gateway Oaks and was recovered. Suspects fled in their Blue Chevy in an unknown direction.
(358411) 11/7/08 @ 3581 N. Freeway (Old Navy), Burglary, N. Natomas
3 suspects were observed by loss prevention officer putting baby clothing into a shopping bag. 2 suspects handed the bag to another suspect and she left the store. The suspect with the bag was identified, but the other two suspects are still not identified. They are described as #1 female black adult, 18-20 yrs, pregnant…#2 female black adult, 18-21 yrs, long hair with a grey hoodie. The suspect car is a newer silver 4-door Buick with tinted windows.
(357862) 11/7/08 @ 2449 Northgate Blvd. (Valero Gas Station), Robbery, Gardenland/Northgate
Victim was standing in line at the gas station with money in his hand. Suspect #1 was in front of him and turned around and took his money out of his hand. Victim tried to ask for his money but the suspect walked out of the store and toward a car parked at one of the pumps. The suspect called out to Suspect #2 and Suspect #2 got out of his car and started swinging an Exacto knife at the victim. They fought for a little bit and Suspect #2 got back into the passenger seat and Suspect #1 drove away. The victims suffered two cuts to his hands and a few other injuries. The suspects were described as #1 female black, 17-18 yrs, 6′0″, 140 lbs, short light brown hair and grey sweat suit. #2 male black adult, 18-21 yrs, 5′7″, 170 lbs, light black dread locks/shoulder length. the car was described as an Older Primer Grey Oldsmobile, 4-door.
(Report #369171) 11/18/08 @ 1:34 am, 3289 Azevedo, Armed Robbery, S. Natomas The victims (Boyfriend & Girlfriend) were robbed at gunpoint by three suspects. The victim’s were forced to get into the trunk of their car. They were let out of the trunk by another person after the suspects left.
(367122) 11/15/08 @ 10:16 pm, Club Center/Maybrook, Robbery, Natomas Park
Three 14 yr. old victim’s were walking in the area after coming from a friends house. They saw several subjects in the ditch area smoking marijuana. The suspects asked them if they wanted some but the victims declined. The suspects ran up behind them after throwing rocks at them. They chased the victim’s for a short distance and then grabbed one victim’s cell phone and pushed him on the ground. They took money from the victim’s also. The suspects were described as 3 male black juveniles, 2 male Hispanic juveniles and 1 male Asian juvenile. The male Asian suspect was described as 17 yrs. old, 5′9″, 120 lbs, black shirt tied around his head with baggy black pants and shirt. One of the male black suspects was described as 17 yrs old, 5′10″, with a black hoodie.
(364863) 11/13/08 @ 7:50 pm, San Juan/Azevedo, Armed Robbery, S. Natomas
victim was walking on the sidewalk talking on his cell phone. Two suspects ran up to him from the ditch and held a gun to him. The victim threw his cell phone and bag on the ground and ran. The suspects took the property and ran the other way. The suspects were described as #1 male black, 20’s, 5′10″, 165, black beanie, black sweat shirt and black gloves, #2 male black 20’s, 5′10″, 150, all black clothing
(364859) 11/13/08 @ 7:53 pm, 3293 Azevedo, Armed Robbery, S. Natomas
Victim was in the laundry room of the apartment complex when the suspect approached her. He demanded her phone while pointing a gun at her. He got the phone and ran away through the complex. The victim chased the suspect until she heard a gun shot. She did not see the suspects fire the gun because they were out of sight. A witness actually saw two subjects running from the area. Suspect was described as a male black, 16-18 yrs, 5′8″, 160-180 lbs wearing a black hoodie.
(364891) 11/13/08 @ 8:15pm, 4900 Natomas Blvd. (Tovas Apts), Armed Robbery, N. Natomas
Victim parked in the parking lot and was walking to her apartment. The suspects shoved her to the ground and demanded her cell phone. They didn’t end up taking the cell phone but took her purse. The suspects were described as 2 male black’s-one wearing a yellow-ish zip up hoodie and both had ski masks. The suspects were possibly driving a silver Buick Lesabre (or something similar) with a large dent on the right rear passenger door.
(364898) 11/13/08 @ 8:35 pm, 604 W. El Camino (Pizza Hut), Armed robbery, S. Natomas
Two suspects entered the business and demanded money. They took money from the counter and fled on foot westbound on W. El Camino. The suspects were described as #1 male white adult, 18, 5′9″, 140, blond hair, white t-shirt…#2 male white adult, 19, 5′9″, 200, dark hair and dark clothing. Both suspects had heavy Russian accents and had their shirts pulled over their faces.
(364989) 11/13/08 @ 10:02 pm, 2045 W. El Camino (Natomas Ridge Apts), Armed robbery, S. Natomas
Victim and her boyfriend were walking on the sidewalk inside the apartments. 3 male black adults walked toward them and one passed them. The other two (with guns) demanded the victims purse and necklace. They took the vicitms property and walked away through the complex. The suspects were described as #1 male black, 16-18, 5′6″, 150, black hoodie, #2. male black 18, 5′11″, 170, black hoodie. #3. male black 18, 6′0″, 170 , black hoodie.
(365266) 11/14/08 @ 7:40 am, N. Bend/Blackrock, Suspicious Activity, Natomas Park
15 yr old girl was walking on the sidewalk with a small black pick up drove by with two male black (16-18 yrs old) drove by. They made a u-turn and parked. One subject (Red shirt) got out of the car and started walking behind the girl (about 25 feet behind her). He asked for her phone number, if she had a boyfriend, said she was cute and a few other inappropriate things to her. She ran away and the guy never ran after her. The victim did say he had his arms out as if he was trying to grab her. The young lady did a great job of running when she didn’t feel right.
(361411) 11/10/08 @ 3:40 pm, Natomas Blvd (in Front of Kohl’s), Strong arm robbery, N. Natomas
14 yr. old victim was walking on the bike trail in front of Kohl’s. Two suspects approached him and asked if he wanted to buy some marijuana. The victim declined and they pushed him down and demanded his I-pod. They went through his pockets and took money from his wallet and his cell phone. The victim told them he wouldn’t call the police if they gave back his cell phone so they gave it back. The suspects were described as #1 male black, 16-17 yrs, “LRG” brand zip up hoodie, jeans with red/blue design on the back pockets and black van shoes…#2. male black 16-17, 5′8″, fat with a large stomach and had a black BMX bike.
(361687) 11/10/08 @ 9:23 pm, 3648 N. Freeway Blvd. (Aeropostale), Armed Robbery, N. Natomas
4 suspects entered the store and shopped for clothing for several minutes. Eventually 2 suspects grabbed one of the employee’s and another suspect pointed a handgun at the other employee. They left the store with the clothing they shopped for (no money was taken). The suspects left in a Late 90’s 4 door, Teal colored Lexus with chrome rims. The suspect’s were described as 4 female black adults ages from 19 to 27. One was wearing a camo. puffy coat with fur, another was wearing a black puffy coat.
(359901) 11/08/08 @ 11:56pm, Camarillo Dr., Stolen Car/Arrest/Pursuit, Northgate/Gardenland
Graveyard Officer Murchie observed a car attempting to evade her by turning off their lights and driving extremely fast on Ford Road/Norwood in Del Paso Heights. Another officer eventually caught the car and the car fled from this officers also. The pursuit went onto Northgate and turned onto Rio Tierra. The suspect eventually drove onto Camarillo Dr which is a dead end. The driver (Richard Gama 5/22/86) was taken into custody by the pursuing officers. He was a parolee at large and had shaved car keys in his possession along with different I.D. cards (in other peoples names) and blank checks. Some of the property was stolen in an auto burglary in Roseville. He was arrested for evading officers, stolen property, possession of burglary tools, stolen car and parole violation.
Yes Joe you may be so bold. Thank you for this very educational and alarming article. We have come to know this is where the unfiltered truth about city life can be found so who cares if the Bee publishes the info or not. Natomas residents should be heralding your site every chance they get. Awareness starts with truth Joe and truth can be found in abundance here. Keep up the great work!
PS: the crimes you listed are terrible! People locked in their car trunks? There is something terribly wrong with a person who could do that to another and there is something equally as wrong with someone who isn’t up in arms about it. I have never seen such a passive and complacent community in the face of such terrible crime in my life and I have been around a long time Joe.
Joe
I hate the idea that we have to all police our community because the police can’t. But the worst thing we could all do for our businesses and neighborhood is stay home locked in and hide. Criminals are scared of well lit, populous areas. The more we are out and about, the more likely our criminals will find a new neighborhood. Go in a group- take your friends to shop with you and BE AWARE. I can’t tell you how many times I see moms and kids with their hands full, struggling just to get to the car. You have a big target sign on your purse! Pause at the curb, look around, take notice of the vehicles and people hanging out in the parking lot. I carry a very earpiercing safety alarm when I’m out walking and no valuables. You can just be careful and make yourself way less of a target.
Perhaps we should set up a volunteer patrol for the Target/Marketplace and Park Place centers for the next couple of weekends? I’d be happy to take a few shifts with someone else. Just having eyes and ears on the spot to watch for suspicious activity would help. Anybody want to drink coffee and stand in front of Borders with me?
Oh no you didn’t create the GTA Natomas game!!! Dude that is so true it is actually sad. Its got the helicopter racing motorcycles rifles handguns and all different sorts of thugs. It is Natomas!!! Also weird about this community is how it will be all crazy violent like the thug levees broke but then all of a sudden nothing like it is pleasantville. Just hope you aint out at night when thugs-r-us is on the prowl.
Give this man some kind of award! I am sold. Full bird colonel! Pin his stripes on him. I have to admit young Joe I am with you on this one-I do not want to be a f%^$$%#& cop. I do not want to volunteer. I do not want to give all my free time to fighting crime and making the community safe. I too pay someone else to do that and I’ll be damned if anyone is going to make me feel f$#%@^& guilty about it! Do your job and stop asking me to do it for ya and I promise I will not ask you a$#%^@ to do my job for me!!!
Whoa Roger what did you have for breakfast today? Did I hit a nerve or what? Welcome to reality. Glad to have you.
Roger-
I agree with you. I don’t want to be a cop. But I don’t want to see neighborhood businesses freak out and leave big gaping holes in our area. With a down economy and crime on the rise, it’s hard enough to keep businesses open. If it takes a few hours of my time to keep people feeling like shopping in our area instead of driving to Roseville, to keep a mom and her kids from getting carjacked, to make sure some old lady gets her Christmas presents into the car, I’d rather do that than see my housing value fall another 50%
Sac Blog we were in T-Mobile store near In and Out recently. We got into a conversation with the employees there. I asked if they had been robbed. They said the store has been broken into multiple times, windows shattered, disturbances, thefts, larceny and some notable fights that have broken out IN THE STORE, including one where the strip mall security had to come in mace the customer, take him down with his baton, and restrain him until police arrived. There is a MAJOR crime problem in this city and I am tired of cops, media and the city downplaying it. We don’t care if crime is worse in other neighborhoods (as I was told repeatedly when I first started blogging and asking questions). We don’t care about budget problems. We care about the quality of life here and clearly the city took a major dump on North Natomas by stealing all of our tax dollars to fund their downtown projects, saddling us with the entire region’s share of exclusionary housing (yes exclusionary, you can not get into a lot of these apt. complexes if you make too much money), and leaving the city with 15% less funding for police than cities our size and one of the lowest cop to resident ratios in America. For the life of me I can not fathom how people find this acceptable. This is SCANDALOUS
Killer article Joe. I am in NJ on business and we had an all-nighter with clients dinner and the bar scene tonight. First thing I did when I got back to my hotel room was jump on my laptop to check cnn.com and joesacramento.com as I do every night. It’s always a thrill when a new article is up and especially one where it has a theme like this with gta reference. I never thought of it in those terms but unfortunately I think you are right in that Natomas is getting to be like liberty city and like you no one is going to be able to convince me otherwise. I have been the victim of a crime in Natomas. I know firsthand how real the violence is. I don’t need anyone to try to convince me the community is safe. It may be in spots but overall it is not.
Joe I just want to end here by saying in my very small opinion you are the best blogger in Sacramento hands down and your volunteer work online speaks for itself.
An avid reader and admirer,
Brian Langley
Joe-
You’re totally right. It is scandalous. But people just don’t get it. They either don’t care that much or they don’t realize that they’re the ones it will happen to next. I’m not quitting on forcing the policing situation. I’m not giving up that KJ will do something drastic. But in the short run, things aren’t getting better and nothing is changing tomorrow unless people do something on their own. If we’re standing in the Kohl’s lot taking pictures of suspicious vehicles, perhaps we’ll get a better description of someone than “late teens black guy”. I’d be quite happy to snag a few license plate numbers.
As for security in facilities, as a former business owner, I can tell you that landlords provide security for their own assets. We used to own a business in the Safeway center. Monument Security was HORRIBLE. They wouldn’t respond to anything inside the building at all. One time we had two homeless people blocking the front door- they wouldn’t even tell them to move. Their answer “we’re here to take down information.” Thanks, like I didn’t already know where to find them. Landlords owe their tenants and their patrons more than that. But like us, they’re paying for police services they’re not getting either.
Money is tight for everyone everywhere. (Except if you’re a CEO of an auto company I guess- then you still get a jet and a fancy suit). I can’t sell my house so I have to find a way to protect it.
Sac Blog: I know. I just get fuming about the whole situation and gotta vent. Every time I go out I look for suspicious things going on. I call a lot of stuff in. My eyes are open. My head is NOT in the sand. I know yours isn’t either. Oh and the automakers and their jets!? Is that nuts or what? They want our money now? HA!
Brian, I’m not sure what to say other than a huge, humbled, embarrassed thanks.
Very kind words and they strengthen my resolve to keep plugging away like no one is watching–even though my fingers are taking a severe beating from blogging. I’m glad you enjoy reading me and find some value out of my ramblings. Thank you again.
I was getting my am cup of joe at Peets at Raley’s and I saw two cops, then 20 min. later a few more with crime scene cops in the cleaners-the manager told me that 4 people robbed her at 7 am, in broad day light. One of the cops described the problem pretty clearly moments later, ” There are many great families in N. Natomas, the problem is the high number of homes that the owners have rented out and large numbers of inclusionary housing units are adding to the crime”. I now believe that even with a bigger police presence, the crime will grow, how tragic. Do you remember the years 1999 to 2004, how blessed we were, crime was almost non existant in Natomas Park. Capt. Hahn will tell you the same Joe, more cops may not make us safer. We’ll all become sitting ducks if the economy worsens, walking at Park Place may be dangerous, is there still a security guard at Raleys? Everyone be safe.
It is so sad and true. Yes, North Natomas has turned into a renter’s paradise I’m afraid. And many of those folks think it is an awesome place to live. And perhaps it is if you’ve never been victimized or haven’t the ability to empathize. How glorious it must to be to live so blissfully ignorant. I am not mad at those people, I envy them.
I agree more cops may not be the answer; HOWEVER, despite what Daniel Hahn and others say about how more police will not solve the problem, statistics argue compellingly. Hence I steadfastly maintain that we need police presence on par with other cities and I believe that will make make a noticeable difference.
Many people have told me the only way to reduce crime in Natomas will be to reverse the damage Heather Fargo and Tretheway and Sac City planners have done and drastically reduce the amount of section 8 housing available so it is on par with other cities and FORCE the city to spread the housing out equally across Sacramento. Many maintain this can only be done via lawsuit.
At the very least I want to see our violent crime levels come down to match those in other cities and get out of the stratosphere where they are at 1,113 violent crimes per 100,000 across Sacramento (I’m sure they are MUCH HIGHER IN NATOMAS).
Hi new to the site. I registered using the standard regi login for Wordpress blogs. I hope that was ok. You know you can extend it to your users right? Let me know if you want my help. This way people can edit their posts, add their images if they want, etc. This is a great site and that would be a great addition
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Jason
Hood- More cops might not make us safer but I do believe a faster response time would and it’s all related. It’s a lot easier to rob a place when you know for certain (because it’s in the Bee) that you have 5 to 9 minutes to get in and out. And that’s if it’s a “good” day around town. On a bad day, you could have much more than that. Slow response times escalate crimes as well- because there’s always time for one more thing. So a robbery turns into an assault, which we’re lucky hasn’t turned into a homicide recently.
Capt. Hahn is right- this is a big problem that won’t be solved just by throwing more cops at it. But more cops would make a major difference in a short amount of time, giving everyone else time to take care of the bigger solution.
Great article Joe. Hey is there any way to see Natomas only crime statistics month by month?
Natomas, try right at the Capitol…
these I know about, for sure
1. Kid works as security at Parc Ultra Super Duper Lounge…parked in parking garage right there at the Capitol…they went through the windshield and took the stereo, Ipods and anything else that wasn’t nailed down…RIGHT AT THE CAPITOL…
2. Up from Paragary’s on 28th Street, two story Craftsman Apartments…the thieves go right up to the mailbox and break them open, in broad daylight, and steal mail to get identity and social security numbers…Sacramento gang into identity theft, big time…
What did Kerridge and Fargo do about the rampant crime in Sacramento? NOTHING…they gave developers more money to redesign K Street for more fancy restaurants and apartment all financed by the PEOPLE’S MONEY…
Here is a thought. The other week in SNR Cosmo Garvin suggested that North Natomas taken out of the jurisdiction of the City of Sacramento. I do not mean to sound condesending, but perhaps you all may want to consider unannexing and getting your needed public services from the County. You all seem so unhappy, maybe that might be the best thing to do. Another interesting thought - firefighters in Stockton have agreed to a pay cut to avoid things like what is happening here in Sacramento. Sacrfices need to be made by everyone, not just a select few. Take a look at the Bee, just about every story in the Our Region section was about Cities and Counties needing to more with less. If other city workers need to take time off with a pay cut and if I need to do it as a State worker, then I offer no apologies asking police and fire to do it as well.
Rich that is a wonderful thought. I think all of Natomas should be UNPLUGGED from the city; the city doesn’t know how to manage–and hence does not deserve–our tax dollars. The way the city spent Natomas tax dollars is disgraceful.
Also I don’t think it’s a matter of happiness as much as it is concern for our safety and the future of our community.
Joe, Just curious - do you live in North or South Natomas? Great story — I also don’t want to be a “cop” - Neighborhood Watch is one thing, but volunteering at a so-called “resource center,” IMO, puts regular citizens in the position of being “sitting ducks.” (i.e. at risked of being picked off by “duck hunters”
).
Also, what do you think of Doris Matsui’s recent proposal of the Public Safety Enhancement Act?
Thanks!
Hi Jane. I live in N Natomas. Yes, kudos to the people who are giving their time to staff the resource center. Major sacrifice for a neighborhood that has been completely DISSED by the city. I have some crime stats I’m going to be sharing for Natomas soon. They are outrageous in my opinion.
Re Matsui: The PSEC is ok I guess. I mean, at this point, we are so paved over what would another $26 million dollar structure and a dozen or so more lives mean in the event of a catastr. flood?? As it stands there are 70,000 odd people in the basin. I have read the scenarios engineers have hypothesized if the levees break, and man it is SCARY. I.e. 70,000 people trying to drive to higher ground on less than a handful off on ramps. Shudder. I need to get to know someone in one of our many three story condo or apt buildings as I am told those will likely be the only dry rooms in the basin
Joe-
You need to get an old fashioned road map. Forget your GPS it won’t help you! We have one in our garage in our flood box. It has enough clothes, food and supplies for 3 days, plus 5 exits from our area that do not involve the freeway for at least 15 miles. Yes, you can totally get out of Natomas without getting on the freeway at any point. But you have to know where you’re going. I’m obsessive and have calculated the routes based on the SAFECA and FEMA time to flood estimates.
If we flood and you stay, you’ll be stuck a long long time in that 3 story condo.
Well tell me how to get out of here then!! LOL
If I tell you, everyone will know! But one of the best routes is the levee road formerly known as Sorrento but has a different name now. Strange but you are more likely to be able to drive on that road than Del Paso because of the street design. You can take it all the way to Roseville, then catch 80 up there. Unless the Folsom Dam breaks, then you have to head southwest. Your best route then is to take Natomas Blvd to Elverta, across to Airport road, then hit I-5 north just outside of Woodland.
Those are my only tips- I’m not sharing all the good ones
JOE SACRAMENTO…..
Honestly, the way you present your articles are priceless…
You are able to grab peoples attention with your catchy titles and then
bring them home directly to the real issue…
I feel honored that you get your ideas from our conversations…
Well you planted the seed for this issue…
The real test is what will people do to fix this prob…
I have an idea…..!
LETS ORGANIZE AS CITIZENS FROM NATOMAS
HOW ABOUT WE DROP THE NORTH OR SOUTH LABEL
TAKE THIS ISSUE STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AND DEMAND FOR CHANGE
ONE VOCIE CAN BE IMFORMITIVE
BUT A ORGANIZED MOVEMENT GETS THINGS DONE
REMEMBER ONE THING>>
OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US
WE DONT WORK FOR THEM>>
WE HAVE THE POWER BUT DONT USE IT>>>>>
THE POWER OF OUR VOTE>>>>>>>>
THATS WHY I AM RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE>>>
john Dahilig Navy veteren Poli Sci major @ Sac State….>>>>>
President-of the South Natomas Community Association>>>>>>>
LETS TAKE BACK NATOMAS THE POWER OF YOUR VOTE>>>
John wrote: OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US .. WE HAVE THE POWER BUT DONT USE IT
Very true, John. Just got off the phone with my pops. He said, “But you need money to improve public safety, right?” And I said, “Yes, but more importantly you need a LEADER whose number one priority is public safety–which we CLEARLY do NOT have in Raymond Treetheway.”
I have an idea…
CHECK YOUR POSTS FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR IF YOU WANT TO WIN A CITY COUNCIL SEAT!
Sorry, John. I couldn’t resist. I’ve been holding that one back for awhile. I am really glad that at least one person is going to run against Tretheway, and I truly commend you for what you are doing. But it reflects poorly on you when you post comments that are full of typos. It’s one thing for an ordinary bum like me to not run my posts through the old spellchecker before hitting that submit button, but I’m not a public official, nor am I aspiring to be one (for now). If you want to be elected to a leadership position in this community, you are going to have to project a better image to those of us who don’t know you personally. That’s cool if writing is not your strong suit. It certainly isn’t mine. But a lot of people in Natomas read this site, and you’re making a poor first impression by posting sloppy comments. I’m not trying to be rude. I’m just offering some candid feedback in hopes that it will give you a better shot against Tretheway. Best of luck to you, my friend. Tretheway is a putz, but you still have your work cut out for you.
DMC good feedback. I agree in general people vying for public office should bring their “A Game” at all times. Good news is that John is the exact kind of honest, straight talking, empathetic type of person we need more of in government; it’s rare to find those kind of qualities in people who want to join the civil service ranks.
On a related note, John has an inspiring story and I am at fault for not posting as I said I would. I will do that before the month is up for sure!
Ditto, DMC. I was an English major & worked as a proofreader for awhile back in the Dark Ages & have a hard time with typos, bad grammar, etc.
But, even so, John D., keep up the good work!
(PS-And about that haircut….
In case you missed it. This one happened THIS morning:
(372339) 11/21/08 @ 6:29 am, 2613 River Plaza Drive, Car Theft/Shooting, ROCA/S. Natomas Area
Victim hears tires skidding outside and noticed someone was stealing his car (Black Chevy Caprice). He got into another car and followed the suspects. He lost them for a little bit and then found the suspect inside his car on Gateway Oaks near Garden Hwy. He pulled up and confronted the suspect (male black with shoulder length dread locks, 18-20 years old, 6′0″, 175). At this time a Blue Chevy Caprice Classic pulled up with the 2nd suspect (unk description). The first suspect went to the passenger door of the Blue Chevy and pulled out a gun. He fired multiple rounds at the victim - hitting his car several times. The victim sped off to get away. The victim’s Chevy Caprice was still on Gateway Oaks and was recovered. Suspects fled in their Blue Chevy in an unknown direction.
Jason, sorry I didn’t see your post. Yes I am going to open up registration soon. Working on images for comments and all that stuff. Thanks
Joe - I am sure that everything you said about John is true. One of the reasons I posted my comment is that I can tell John has alot of potential. I’m looking forward to reading your post on his background and getting to know him better. In the meantime, maybe John can hire Lawless Jane as his speechwriter
DMC: I never assumed anything less. And I will bet anything John thanks you for the feedback.
Wow what a grim reminder of how bad the city has failed Natomas. If you don’t mind me saying so I can’t help but notice how haplessly the majority of natomas residents roll along in spite of all this crime . It’s really amazing to us outsiders that you all aren’t calling for the heads of the losers in government that are standing by doing nothing about these ongoing issues. The 13 to 22 year old element is completely ruining your quality of life and here people just keep saying how great it is over there. It’s really bizarre don’t you think? If this happened in my neighborhood we would be down at city hall raising hell
Oh, don’t say that! Now we are profiling. Can’t have that!
I’ve lived in North Natomas for about 3 1/2 years. I have 2 children that go to school in the area. We have apartment complexes that are allowing section 8 and low income. You can definitely see the quality of individuals deteriorating.
We have to face the facts. North Natomas is quickly I’ve had full blown home alarm system installed. I am considering cameras. I have a LARGE dog. What’s next? Do we need to start packing heat? (Sorry, I always wanted to say that).
Great post Joe…
dragon slayer, I agree with your points. Although I am not a Natomas resident, I sympathize with what the people of Natomas must be feeling right now with the calls for action falling on deaf ears of local leaders. People in this area have been concerned about violent crime for many years. When we asked for help from our elected official, they said they would tell the police not to respond to our calls if we didn’t keep quiet. It is really scary to know what the elected official has done to shut people up. So I applaud Joe for giving a voice to the voiceless in our community-and for being pretty darn funny in his delivery too.
Somebody on the city council had threatened to destroy the careers of people who considered running against them. Well I am grateful new leadership is coming to fill their seat. If people wonder why things don’t get accomplished in this city, they only need to look at the destructive behavior by local leaders.
Hey all!
I apologize about the spelling errors that I posted last time. Maybe I should.. get some help from
lawless Jane with my spelling and grammar….lol
I was about to go to dinner with my girlfriend and then I read Joe’s site… I got worked up and was compelled to comment. I was in a rush but that is no excuse… I know I need to have my A game on at all time…
But I am still learning..
Ok, well I am glad people are at least taking the time to read my posts. lol
So if anyone wants to get into contact with me don’t be afraid to email me at johndahilig@aol.com
Hope you all have a good weekend
John Dahilig
Carrie, thank you. You were one of the very first people who supported this site when it was extremely unpopular with media and politicos and I am grateful from the bottom of my heart
John, I’d be glad to proofread for you anytime!!!
Jane, wanna join the campaign team?
Hi Joe. Very nice article. I agree with what you wrote. I agree the media should report the truth. I agree community members should continue to spread awareness (very important when the media is given media releases which are not always accurate and not all crime written about….) I agree law enforcement should do their job…. I don’t believe all community members should run amuck playing officers…or take on the role of public safety agents when people are paid to do so…I do believe in neighborhood watch… Heck I do believe in everything that is written. I certainly can’t criticize you for putting the crime info out there heck I did the same thing in South Sac whenever I learned of a shooting, homicide…. in efforts to create awareness, solutions, opportunities….for youth. I realize maybe I shouldn’t post on this article after all I am low income. I’m not on Section 8 but I know many who are and I know many of us are not welcome or wanted or desired to be neighbors. But their are loving individuals from all walks of life and at times of death among underprivileged youth I learn their are loveless individuals from all walks of life. That being said, I’ll leave this particular site because I have the feeling the underprivileged to some are considered the problem and not part of the solution. Again I do agree with what you wrote. I just hope and pray more will shift the paradigm from a power-over the underprivileged community to a power-with the underprivileged community. Maybe some within Natomas underprivileged community can be a part of the solution. That’s what this underprivileged mother who is low income attempts to do in South Sacramento. I wish the best for Natomas- I wish the best for all of us.
Rhonda-
I know many folks here and Joe also have said that they are not against underprivileged people in our community! As an adult who grew up on ramen and pork and beans, I understand clearly that all the pieces don’t fall in the right place despite your best efforts. You are obviously a very responsible person who is doing her best. You probably supervise your children and try to give them hope for the future. You know however, that in your situation, there are some who don’t care, sell drugs and make crack right in their own living rooms in front of their kids. The more disproportionate the low income housing is in a neighborhood, the more of the irresponsible type land in that neighborhood. North Natomas has been completely inundated with ultra-low income housing at a higher rate than the rest of the city.
You ARE part of the solution! Every one of us is part of the solution. To me it’s not about the haves vs. the have nots, it’s about those who love their neighbors and care about life vs. those who are selfish and will do whatever despite how it affects others.
Rhonda does sound bright and sympathetic, but the facts are different. Try telling our kids it may be unsafe walking to Raley’s now because someone may rob them with a gun, look at all the robberies, home invasions, car thefts, gang involvement and other violent crime. Many will have variable opinions on the source. To most it’s apparent, the low income housing ruins a community. Do you know that some of the home invasion suspects from June have re-offended since being released, I guess they’ll help out with solutions. I at first thought all types of housing could co exist and wanted it to work, but that is a joke now. All the communities that have lower crime have less low income housing or rental units. We all know good people come from all walks of life, but for city planners to unload inclusionary housing with other housing is wrong, try living in Del Paso Heights like I did for for 12 years and save money to move up into a better neighborhood. What is wrong with that. Did you hear Rancho Cordova is revising their housing policies, people are fed up and want change!
John - Looking forward to seeing the A game. I’m sure you’ll bring it. How about a guest column hosted by Joe and edited by Lawless Jane that lays out your vision for Natomas?
DMC, we have JUST such a thing on the way
Rhonda, I really hope you stick around. I think you are an important part of the public safety conversation, regardless of our zip codes.
Also keep in mind many of us grew up in under-privileged homes per se, and many of us love people no matter their ethnic or socio-economic disposition. In fact diversity is what drew my wife and I to Natomas. If we wanted to live among the elite, we would have bought a home in Granite Bay. But I still want a safe community to live in. And I don’t think Natomas should have to shoulder such a mammoth portion of low income housing, especially in the absence of things for the kids to do, and much needed youth development and social services. I want to see more low income housing over in westlake, fab 40s, east sac. We all share the responsibility to lend our brothers and sisters a hand UP (not a hand out), and I want to see more of Sacramento take part in that altruism.
That said, I positively identify with those whom are less fortunate than others at this time in their lives. I have never been handed a thing in life, I had to work for everything. The only reason I am here today (and not dead or incarcerated) is because of those who I reached out to for help (including the military when I was a teen), and frankly a won’t-accept-no-for-an-answer attitude. Hardly privilege. Both Barack and Michelle Obama came from humble roots also. They are shining examples of what is possible in this life, regardless of one’s position they may be in at certain times of their lives. What incredible inspiration they are for all of us.
Then again, having served in third world countries when i was in the infantry in the Army, I have a substantively different take on what it means to b “under privileged. ” In this global day and age we live in, when many people think of under-privileged, they think of homeless encampments around Mexico City. Or of Iraqi refugees. Or of children in, e.g., Rawanda whose limbs have been taken by barbarian warlords. Or of children born into international slavery rings such as those depicted in the film “Trade.” Or of elderly homeless people defecating in Sac’s Capitol Park– as John and I witnessed yesterday when we visited the Equality Rally. Or of the thousands of people Loaves and Fishes will serve Thanksgiving dinner this Tuesday, many of whom are mentally retarded. So I think we should always keep these things in mind in any conversation about the human condition.
Speaking of under privileged, John and I shot a great video at loaves and Fishes yesterday. I will have it up later tonight. I hope you will stick around to check it out. I value your presence on this site IMMENSELY and hope you will reconsider.
With great love and respect,
Joe
Rhonda, I also hope you’ll stick around. You have a lot of compassion & love & good thoughts to share. I lived in low-income housing downtown for about 3-1/2 years (1998-2002) & it was a great help to me. I would never put anyone down who needed to be in that situation. Also, I’m involved in groups at my church doing Outreach to the poor, hungry, homeless, prisoners, etc. We need more people like you no matter what community we live in!
Re the crime scene in Natomas, it seems like it would be helpful to try to get some “preventive information” out there for local residents. Last night when we were driving home from church, we were on Truxel at about 7pm (so it was dark) & we saw a woman walking by herself, pushing a stroller & talking on a cell phone. It was if she had “potential victim” written all over her. She was totally oblivious to her surroundings because she distracted by her cell phone. I don’t know HOW we can get more info out to the community to practice safe behaviors while out & about, but it’s something to think about.
John, I too am very much interested in learning what your vision is for Natomas is & I’m looking forward to reading the inspiring story about you that Joe is going to share!!
Count me amongst those who want to see more inclusionary housing in other parts of Sacramento. The city has a goal of 15% low income for Natomas. Average around town is something like 8%. All Sacramento residents should be sharing in the philanthropy. It is not fair all the inclusionary housing is being stacked in North Natomas with the sparse police presence and as Joe said complete lack of needed services to support so many people in need.I will not be made to feel guilty for wanting this low income housing spread out across Sacramento.
Thank you for reading
Sorry Rhonda I have to disagree.Look I have lived in low income housing and yes I benefited from it but no I would not have benefited if my entire complex was low income like the mess they are doing in Natomas. I don’t think you understand what is going on out here so if you decide not to be a part of the conversation on joe sac thats cool, but bow out cuz you aren’t informed not cuz u think Natomas residents are power-hungry people who want to oppress the masses. I really take exception to your words about people trying to have power over folks or something what is that about. natomas got all kinds of people out here. I spent a lot of money on my house ok. I also want low income housing to better distributed. They aint doin no one any good the way they are building it in such heavy concentrations like they building projects or something. So that right there is my reality and its cool if we don’t agree you know I still respect ya I just disagree with ya.
Joe is right! Everyone deserves a safe neighborhood! It should be the goal of every neighborhood! it should be the goal of every community member! never i say never attack another community member for demanding their community be safe! Are you crazy? Support each other! love each other! Feel each other’s pain! Empathize! Joe’s neighborhood pain is the community’s pain! if you want to share your pain then share it! Or start a blog of your own to share it! But never I say never attack each other for wanting the best life affords!
Lyndo B Johnson said so famously:
“The American city should be a collection of communities where every member has a right to belong. It should be a place where every man feels safe on his streets and in the house of his friends. It should be a place where each individual’s dignity and self-respect is strengthened by the respect and affection of his neighbors. It should be a place where each of us can find the satisfaction and warmth which comes from being a member of the community of man. This is what man sought at the dawn of civilization. It is what we seek today.”
This is the America I want! This is the type of citizen I want in my city! Break out of your bubbles and fight for your communities with all your heart! Today!
I think the dangers of stereotypes goes both ways. In my opinion it’s just as dangerous (and ignorant) to say “everyone who lives in low income apartments are criminals” as it is to say “everyone who is critical of low income apartments is an elitist.” Both statements are categorically false.
I did not suggest I didn’t value this site or the information shared nor did I mean I was leaving the site all together. I met I thought it was best I not comment further on this particular article. I DID say I agree with EVERYTHING on the article. That included your rights to a safe neighborhood, to having low income housing spread out evenly to other parts of town, your right for a better quality of life…. I apologize if someone (or two) may feel my comment was / is an attack. I felt some may feel uncomfortable with me commenting because I am low-income. I was in no way uncomfortable by the contents of the article. I have addressed crime for over 4 years and I learned LONG AGO to leave my own person pain and see the pain of others. I felt I shouldn’t comment because I see your pain and some may not want to actually see others. And I know all too well what some of us bring with us when we move in… I felt I should not respond further because I thought maybe It wouldn’t be comfortable for others….And I in no way suggest ANYONE should feel guilty for wanting low-income housing spread out… And thank you Gang Green for reading.
Sorry, Keenan R– I’m not sure what you disagree with since much of what you wrote had nothing to do with my feelings or anything to do with what I wrote. And I don’t bow out or bow down. I’ve fought to long…I would NEVER EVER suggest Natomas residents “are power-hungry people who want to oppress the masses.” My comment Shift the paradigm from a power-over to a power-with… had nothing to do with power-hungry people… To go into further detail would take far too long and I don’t waste my time when I don’t feel it necessary. I respect ya but have no idea what you disagree with.
I don’t want anyone to feel I believe they aren’t entitled to fight for their community and fight against the violence which has spread. IF YOU DON’T FIGHT IT; the violence is like a cancer and its polyps will break off and continue to spread. WHY do you think they are putting so much low income housing in your community? Sacramento consistently “simply” SHIFTS crime. Sacramento doesn’t seek effective solutions–so it SPREADS. It’s too complex…they simply address it on the surface by shifting it. It shifts from one neighborhood to another in efforts to make it appear as though it’s addressed. When crime goes down in one area it will always go up in another. If they build it (low income housing) the people/ crime will come for several reasons… .You can move people around all you like but you can’t move the inner-conflict or self hate….
Again, I apologize if some misunderstood my words. I thought when I said their are loving individuals from all walks of life and loveless individuals from all walks of life I was clear I was not generalizing the underprivileged community NOR was I generalizing NATOMAS residents who are not underprivileged. I thought it was clear when I wrote, “Heck, I do agree with everything that is written” in the article that I agreed. But I am low income, the only difference I actually see, and it appears I must be percise otherwise someone (or two) may be insulted. My apologies.
Thank you Joe and friends.. Again, I apologize. But still some of what I wrote was taken out of context. I had a feeling someone would find what they were looking for, once I said I was low income, instead of finding what I wrote and possibly a domino effect of possible misunderstanding could occur….
You all deserve a SAFE neighborhood and far be it from me to ever say otherwise and I don’t believe I did
I’m not your enemy and I won’t be their scapegoat.
This is why I fight so hard and why I feel it necessary to always state that I am low income. We have a system which will turn people on one another with the way districts are divided, with compounding low income housing in one neighborhood –shifting the crime — …And some will begin to look down upon one another– only seeing the people and not seeing the lack of effort, resources, accommodations, stifling people in compounds… Actually it’s a very CLEVER move because you get division and get people so focused on the class of people verses the lack of effort in public safety/ crime solutions. I like to look for the forest (solutions) through the trees (distractions) -in Sacramento - the City of Trees. That said. I won’t take up any more of your time. I wish you the best I wish all of us the best. In the words of Dr King, “We are all woven from the same garment what affects one of us directly affects all of us indirectly.” We may be in a different class BUT we are learning the school of Sacramento politics together.
Rhonda, great commentary and I am elated you are still amongst the valued contributors here!!!
Thank you so much Joe and I am very happy to be welcomed by you and others with open arms. I wish their was a icon below with open arms so I could attach a hug so more would know I am embracing your pain and struggle not judging it. In the words of Mother Teresa, “If you judge me you have no time to love me”. I’m not judging you. I love you. Peace, love and solutions in the struggle. No one on this site is my enemy and I am not the enemy. We are all actually in this together…
Could never have said it better and won’t even try
Hey Joe,
As a former resident of the area, I read this article while coming home from a trip and checking in on your always informative and alarming articles. This article doesnt surprise me in the least. I sold this last year due to the crime, affordable housing and all out crap punks taking over the streets. I dont think the residents are beholden to having to do anything but collect a comp check from the city for their “blowing it” with the amount of affordable housing in the area. The city SUCKERED us all by the allure of parks, stores and lovely homes only to be swindled into low income housing units cropping up everywhere AFTER we all moved in. Pure crap… plain and simple. I shoulder the city with the amount of money and equity I lost in my time there. The crime, flood risk and affordable housing presence all contributed to our property value losses over and above the national trends and economy.